The Gross-Steinberg Family Tree presents:

Some NYC Research Info

by James Gross

I hope this info is of some help to you...

Date:    Fri, 8 Mar 1996
Subject: NYC LDS:Assault on Hamburg lists

Dear Jewishgen,
The following info is based on a 3/96 trip to the NYC LDS center.

Here I found myself doing an all out assault on the Hamburg film lists.
I had heard that this LDS has Jewish films on permanent file and I went
to investigate. While they do have some selected Jewish interest films
there, my interest was in the Hamburg passenger lists.

For those of you with zero idea of  what I'm referring to, this is a list
of those passengers sailing from Hamburg directly or indirectly.  In my
case, I was interested in those ships sailing to the US.  The direct index
is for 1855-1934 and the indirect list is from 1854-1910.  This film series
is very useful for those researchers looking for persons who landed in the
US, especially in NYC from 1894-1897.  As you all know, there is no NYC
passenger index for these years.

   To explain the process, you first look up your ancestors name in the
index, and there are two indexes: direct and indirect.  I spent all day and
I wasn't even able to finish the direct index.  The majority of time is
spent on deciphering the index names as some are hard to read.  I worked on
certain surnames and copied all listed names. I photocopied all the entries
I was interested in. The entries give a page number.  They are supposed to
also give the entire date, including month ,day, and year.  Some of them do
and some of them don't. Be advised that the dates seen in the indexes are
COMPLETELY screwed-up. For example, a typical date given is 3/1/94.  You
have to translate it into Jan 3, 1894.  And, many of the listings do not
have the year written down at all. So, make sure you remember to add the

   Be aware that some of the dates overflow into the next year. I had one
reel from 1894 which totally skipped my January 3rd entry.  I finally found
it on the same reel at the very end.  The only reason I knew it had to
exist is because I already know, from my notes, that my relative, Aaron
Neubauer, took passage on a Hamburg ship.  An info page from the JGS of NY
called "Beyond the Basics III", written by Alex Freedlander, pg 32, gives a
brief summary on these films. Again, be prepared for your surnames to
overflow to the second half of the reel.

   The second and far easier step is to pull up the actual passenger list.
The index entry which you already copied gave you the page number and you
know the year based on the year of the film reel you searched. So, you pull
the film for the ship list based on the known date. You go thru the ship
list til you reach the correct page number as seen in your photocopied
index entry. When you get to the correct page number, you may have to look
at one or two page before or after the stated page number.  I found this to
be the situation on almost every lookup.  Once you find the ancestors page
entry, I would photocopy it. And, I recommend that you copy the first page
of the section which lists the name of the ship and the date of

       After I copied all that and went home, I pulled out my Morton Allen
Directory. If you don't have one, I suggest you pay the $20 and buy it.  It
makes life easier for you.  I think Avotaynu (e-mail: VHWC10A@PRODIGY.COM)
still sells it as I purchased my copy from them.  Anyway, I checked each
Hamburg ship entry with the Morton Allen entries.  All the dates of arrival
were on the money or close to it. As a result of all of this work, I now
have the ships name and date of arrival to NYC. Now all I have to do is
order that ship manifest or go to the National Archives in D.C.

   I realize that everyone isn't near NYC or DC, but hopefully you will
still be able to benefit from these notes.  I think that we all need to
post things with an assumption that the reader knows less than we do.

Other articles on this subject include:
1. "Jewishgen" FAQ

2. LDS Resource Guide on the Hamburg Passenger Lists

3. Compuserve, genealogy text file area.

4. "Mispacha"  Fall 1995, pg 11.

5. Article entitled "Hamburg Passenger Lists", reprinted from "Generation"
   JGS of Michigan, Fall 1995

6. "Avotaynu" Fall 1991, Vol 7, no. 3, "Lesser Known Records
    of Emigrants in the Hamburg State Archives", by Jurgen Sielemann.

7. "Avotaynu" Summer 1990, Vol 6, no. 2, Column entitled
   "Hamburg Records Aid Genealogists".

8. "Dorot" Spring 1990, article on Hamburg lists, pg 6.

Shared by  James Gross
Cherry Hill,N.J.
Member JGS of Phila

Date:    Mon, 25 Sep 1995

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